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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:22:00 -
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I was in fleet the other day and one of the fleet members was deaf. The FC asked for someone to relay commands, and I x'ed up. Fleet chat was busy with banter and noise so I opened a private chat specifically for the relayed voice and invited anyone in fleet to it.
As it was only myself and the person who needed the relay were there. This sort of surprised me because I often miss a voice command and have to go back and read through chat or look at the broadcasts to see what is going on. A dedicated relay channel would be awesome.
Anyway I typed all the voice commands and tried to relay some of the idle banter; little arguments and calls to clear comms, FC thinking out loud, and laughter that you sometimes hear.
I'm not a great typist or a good multi-tasker =-P We both died! But I had a good time and it was interesting to think about the game in a new way.
Are you unable to hear sounds in Evef? have you worked with a deaf person in game? What would you like to see and how can you best be incorporated into fleet? Do you have access to a talk to text program? or does that lag things up too much? Is it better if a dedicated relayer interprets fleet chat or would it be better if everything is broadcast using the fleet broadcast tool?
Anyway, thanks for your time and for anyone that has a handicap thanks for playing, it helps me to see the game in new and interesting ways.
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:38:00 -
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Anytime Myobi, as I said it was fun and new way to see the game. Ask up anytime for a relay, I sometimes wait a bit any time a volunteer is asked for to see if someone else wants to =-P whether it be anchor or scout or whatever. But I enjoyed relaying commands and would happily do so again.
*Sometimes I drink too much beer and have trouble typing =-P I will let you know if that is the case!
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:24:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:I used to play with a girl that was a deaf/mute. I talked quite a bit with her cousin and he helped her out quite a bit since they often stayed in the same house.
...edited for space...
I dont know what else they could do to make it easier tho... Not many people have the patience to sit and write out commands like you did in the middle of a fleet, and even for those that do its so easy to mess it up somehow (especially when english is not your native language, or its an odd accent).
However im sure the broadcast system can be improved on to be even faster and easier to use, and have some more options (like a big "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!" button) but honestly i think the only people who can really answer what would make it easier are people who are deaf and have experiense being in fleets.
Yeah I would love to see some more work done on the broadcast panel, it is a great part of the UI and really makes fleet actions a lot more coordinated, with or without voice.
I'm not sure how I would improve it actually! Maybe resizable/bigger buttons, hotkeys and a few more command options.
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:26:00 -
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We have been bouncing around some ideas about how to make our fleets more deaf friendly. Having at least a dedicated broadcaster seems like a good start, and getting a person volunteer to type the important verbal commands in fleet have been two ideas we are implementing.
To get some more ideas I sent a quick form letter to a few deaf advocacy organizations:
[shadow] {"Hello I play game called Eve online, it is an online game with 500,000 subscribers that has been around for 10 years. Sound is not critical except for voice communications between players. And there is an easy to use broadcast system that allows most voice commands to be relayed and displayed visually.
It came up recently on our forums that Eve has a pretty significant deaf player base because it is one of the few MMOGÇÖs that is not sound dependant. We have been bouncing around some ideas about how to make the game more deaf friendly, and so I wanted to contact someone that might have some more insights.
Thank you for your time.
Corey T. Morine
Sent to :
Baltimore association for the deaf
World federation of the deaf
NAD"} [/shadow]
Be interesting to see what they send back.
Any ideas for how to encourage players to volunteer as a relayer? It does take some concentration and is something that should be rewarded. I was thinking maybe having a monthly or weekly loto for anyone that participated. I would like to get some more ideas and maybe work on implementing one or two of them. So any feedback is welcome.
Maybe we can get Eve to be certified "Deaf friendly" I think that would be the first time such a thing happened. =-)
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:59:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:TEST has a few deaf players. Most of them get by by haveing somebody relay commands in private convo. It's not optimal, but we do try to include them in fleets.
Is relaying standard for you guys or does it just come up when someone asks?
)) Also---> give back Republicof! ((
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
400
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Posted - 2013.05.07 12:30:00 -
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I got a couple of Emails back from hearing impaired advocacy groups:
The guy from NAD (the biggest, most well funded group) was like "Video games! meh, don't waste my time. Here's a link, talk to them --->http://www.ablegamers.com/ The link is pretty interesting, I registered there and will start a thread on their forums when I get a chance.
One has yet to respond.
And the third was to "The Hearing and Speech Agency." Amy Bopp, the Coordinator of their Sign Language Program sent back a great letter and asked a bit about the game. She said that she had some ideas but would like to see the game first hand. I sent her a budy invite. So no griefing Amy!
The weight of strange. RL religeous warning, do not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Mv2MWv0k0 |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
412
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:03:00 -
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You can edit this post if you want Akali---^ Before someone copies it and you are remembered as a dumbass forever.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
414
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:16:00 -
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Ah well, sorry about that Akal, next time stay aligned. Reship and meet us on page 6 if you want.
The weight of strange. RL religeous warning, do not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Mv2MWv0k0 |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
414
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Posted - 2013.05.08 11:20:00 -
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The thread I started over on Able gamers has no replies so far. I think just because they don't know me. If anyone has an account wit them, or wants to make one, please go over and post. Maybe a greater number of weapon bearing strangers will get them to open up!
http://www.ablegamers.com/1-general-game-discussion/7757-eve-online-deaf-friendly-mmo
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
414
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Posted - 2013.05.08 12:20:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:I use a program called Ditto that provides an enhanced clipboard. You can store a history of text in it and it is easy to pop up and select what you want. I of course use it to taunt miners in the hopes of extracting tears. But it could just as easily be used to load up with several key phrases for use in PvP. What you would need more than anything is an FC that used standardized phrases for common tasks to cut down on the time it takes you to understand what he is saying and therefore pick the right relay text off the clipboard. Combine that with an FC who actually uses the Tag system on the overview and I would think you could get by pretty well. Ditto: http://ditto-cp.sourceforge.net/
I am downloading this now to try out, does it have an overlay that will appear in game? or do you have to tab out / play in windowed mode?
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:00:00 -
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Amantus wrote:if the fc is really hot with broadcasts + use text for unbroadcastable commands then i reckon deaf players in dps ships would definitely be able to get involved if they are looking at what the rest of the fleet is doing and checking broadcast timestamps.
not that i know a single thing about being deaf though
I think we have all had situations where not everyone in fleet could get on voice, or when voice failed completely. So practices like using the ingame broadcast system in preference to out of game voice are just good habits anyway.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.05.08 13:01:00 -
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I posted a summary of this thread over on Ablegamers, http://www.ablegamers.com/1-general-game-discussion/7757-eve-online-deaf-friendly-mmo#8191 any feedback from here is also welcome.
"The temporary solutions seem to revolve around enabling a dedicated relayer to retransmit the information from voice into a visual format. Eve is a PC game and so the keyboard is always there, and texting in game is already very common. Voice commands are for time critical situations when people need to act together. So our problem is getting these voice commands to people without access to voice quickly and accurately. Fortunately the commands are mostly standardized already; jump, warp and hold, burn to gate, do not aggress, are a few examples.
Ultimately we would like to see Voice to broadcast/text technology incorporated directly into the game. In the meantime a couple of good ideas have come up;
A program called dito, which is an extension of the windows clipboard would allow players to pre-compose instructions and posts then just copy and paste when needed. ditto-cp.sourceforge.net/ I'm going to try that out today.
Another idea was presented by a long time hearing impared player, he has developed a shorthand code for all the commonly used commands. It is not a huge document, but the trouble I see is getting everyone to use the same abbreviations. If you have any ideas for helping to disseminate a standard system of abbreviations like this and getting everyone to use them please post em up!
The third solution involves the g13 keyboard www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/g13-advanced-gameboard
commands could be hot keyed into the keyboard then broadcasted when needed. Many devices like this are against the EULA of games. I think the g13 is allowed by Eve, there is certainly one of these keyboards that is permitted by the EULA.
Any other ideas would be welcome, as would comments or experiences with any of those already listed."
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
415
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:42:00 -
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Lenda Shinhwa wrote:I use a program called Ditto that provides an enhanced clipboard. You can store a history of text in it and it is easy to pop up and select what you want. I of course use it to taunt miners in the hopes of extracting tears. But it could just as easily be used to load up with several key phrases for use in PvP. What you would need more than anything is an FC that used standardized phrases for common tasks to cut down on the time it takes you to understand what he is saying and therefore pick the right relay text off the clipboard. Combine that with an FC who actually uses the Tag system on the overview and I would think you could get by pretty well. Ditto: http://ditto-cp.sourceforge.net/
Thats all bullshit mal-ware you *******!!!!
DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS!!!!
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
420
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Posted - 2013.05.09 09:54:00 -
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Sorry to get snarky man, not your fault. That's the 2nd time this year I got hit with a download like that. The first one was much worse and I was thinking that this one would be as bad. It wasn't. The stuff uninstalled pretty easily and I needed to run a spyware scan anyway.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
420
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:15:00 -
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To get back on track:
Last night I was in a big fleet 100+. I volunteered to relay as it has been a few fleets since I did. Someone asked that caps be used for the relay as fleet chat was moving so quickly. I did this for 10 minutes or so, but it felt awkward SHOUTING all the time, and fleet chat was flying by. I tried to open a channel specifically for voice relay and apparently you can only have 10 private channels or something. No one had xGÇÖed up earlier as needing the relay and I asked again a few more times before stopping all together.
I bet this happens a lot, it is fun for the first 10 minutes but as the fleet starts to get exciting and people drink more beer or whatever the relay tapers off. In my experience this happens in most programs that require people to do something that is out of the ordinary.
I think having a dedicated relay channel is a must, fleet gets too busy and trying to relay voice commands there just adds to the clutter. Also Eve is a social game and fleet chat is an important part of that, people should feel free to chat and joke and talk about the weather or whatever.
I am going to sort my private chat channels today and set one aside specifically for voice relay. The other thing that I want to get into is the broadcast system. As with all things Eve there are many options and much functionality there which is not being used to its full potential.
*I have started to incorporate Pineapples short hand. It is a well thought out system and something that I will just put into the MOTD of the relay channel.
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